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Janus Cohen Fundamental Armorments and Munitions	Posted - 2008.05.13 19:13:00 - [1] I have seen a post about a guy claiming that he can provide security in low sec for miners. the only problem was that he was one man and the possiblities of him protecting miners from low sec as a single person was called into question. I was wondering if there was a corp that could provide protection in low sec, how much would a mining corp be willing to pay for low sec protection. By protection I mean shipkill the pirate before he shipkills the miner. Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Fundamental Armorments and Munitions	Posted - 2008.05.13 19:22:00 - [2] Originally by: Hanneshannes Edited by: Hanneshannes on 13/05/2008 19:19:52 Edited by: Hanneshannes on 13/05/2008 19:17:50 It's verly likely that that one person was out to lure miners out into a belt and then cap them himself. I'm pretty sure hiring a corp to do the protecting is possible but there needs to be some sort of trust or the amount of ISK needs to be right and for the amount of ISK to be right, you need a bunch of miners to make it worth it in the end. You also need to take some things into account, like the protection losing sec status unless they let the pirate fire first (which usually results in the death of a mining ship). Right I agree. BUt if a corp was to go into business how much would a miner feel comfortable to pay for security? would they pay by ore m3 mined? hourly? buy the number of attacks? Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Fundamental Armorments and Munitions	Posted - 2008.05.13 19:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Bad Bobby You're essentially talking about small-scale mercenary work. It's generally best in these cases to charge a flat rate for a period of time as it is something over which there can be no legitimate disagreement between the two parties. The question I would ask however, is how much would you need to recieve in order to make the potential losses you may suffer worthwhile? I would be interested in hiring mercenaries for small scale exercises but I don't mine, so this particular example is not for me :) Right, and that is why I wasn' t talking about mercenary work, But strictly on the subject on securing an area, how much would a merc charge? Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Fundamental Armorments and Munitions	Posted - 2008.05.13 19:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Pwett I really wouldn't trust any corp providing security unless they had the members and organization to completely lock down a stargate, which is tricky in low-sec, and would probably be quite expensive to the mining corp renting their services. Ok so for a gate camp how much would you pay? Would it make a difference if the guards could lock down a few belts and anti camp a station? and would it be better to pay by the hour? or by the amount of space secured for the hours? Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Fundamental Armorments and Munitions	Posted - 2008.05.13 23:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Pwett Edited by: Pwett on 13/05/2008 20:26:06 Heck I couldn't even imagine how much a "water-tight" gate camp would cost. For the number of people it would take, probably easily on the order of 20-30 mil per gate per hour, plus any possible ship costs. Then you have to remember how utterly boring it is to sit on a damn gate for hours on end; without being able to use bubbles. Man, it boggles the mind. Doubtful. I think you are thinking too over the top. Some low sec/0.0 sec areas dont get travelers for hours on end. and it wouldn't take a bubble to camp a gate any low sec gatecamper could tell you that. As far as cost of ships, any good security company would have insurance. I want to know from miners and miner corps how much they would pay and how they would pay for security? Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:50:00 - [6] OK so I took some of the post opinions and I came up with this. 1. Losses should be deducted from the fees. 2. There should be a charge by the hour according to the amount of mining/ industrialist working. 3. Security forces are to always have insurance and spare ships in system. Poster should make alterations if there are some things they think should be added or removed from the list. I have been floating aroiund high sec., and I have wondered,since there are so many high sec wars going on, if therre would be a need for high sec protection? I think the industrial corp would need some kind of combat force already, so the security guards could get kill rights from their fellow gangmates. Anyways all on topic responses would be welcomed. Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:32:00 - [7] Originally by: shady trader The only addition I can see is Logistics ships and heavy interdictors. Asumming that the miners have some tank so they are hard to pop in one go. Logistic ships (pre locked onto miner's ships) to help them stay alive till the bad guys are dead or they are in warp possible combat ships with webbers to allow warp out quicker. Possibly heavy interdictors to discurage capital ships being used. You would probobly also need a neutral person or group to hold the funds (pay up front and till the completion of the contract, Day?). A agreed kill board so that the miners can post their losses so the neutral party can agree the losses. The neutral then pays the defender's corp based on the agreed terms. The neutral person who be a broker/fixer making the arangemets. Is possible but will require a trusted person and probobly an exteral website or two (one for kill board and one for contract) sort of like the merceny review board and hiring hall in battletech. The only other way is sort of like the old alliance that built the chain of neutral outposts. they provide securty to the region and have non agression pack's with the other alliances (after all it secures their path to hi sec as well). You play a fee (per player or corp) and you set as blue. If you loss your ship you get compensation via kill board. However if they catch your ship in a belt unattended your contact is vold/ reduced to salvage parts. Good idea with the use of logistics ships. I think that would prevent loss. I have not seen many capital ships in low sec regions, although they would pose a problem. But how many corps are carving out sections of low sec space, and how could I advertise a section of low sec without drawing too mmuch attention to the area? Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Braaage Remember this simple rule: If you need protection from another corp to be in low sec then you shouldn't be in there at all in the first place. Well I am not providing/ or planning to provide static occupation of any low sec system. and there are plenty of corps in 0.0 sec who have no business there either. I am attempting to make things more competitive for players, and grant some people some oppourtunity to do some low sec mining and still retain authourity of their corp. Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:04:00 - [9] Ok so how much would you charge for 0.0 sec? an hour? Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
Janus Cohen Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:35:00 - [10] Ok so I am thinking 5 ships 1 Battleship 1 Support/Logistics 2 Battlecruisers 1 frig sized tackler supporting 3 retrievers same belt for a cost of 3 million isk per barge an hour. An additional 3 million isk per retriever. If the op is crashed by pirates then Security corp is liable for losses, but amount will be prorated. Feel free to lend feedback. Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.

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